{"id":962,"date":"2011-02-21T13:23:20","date_gmt":"2011-02-21T20:23:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/162.243.68.163\/blog\/?p=962"},"modified":"2011-03-01T13:21:16","modified_gmt":"2011-03-01T20:21:16","slug":"christian-untermenschen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tekhedd.com\/?p=962","title":{"rendered":"Rant: Christian Untermenschen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s not a new word for me, but you don&#8217;t hear it very often unless you&#8217;re talking about the Nazis: untermensch.<\/p>\n<p>So here I was in a nice friendly discussion on a web forum, and unfortunately the original discussion had something to do with religion. Well, it&#8217;s not really unfortunate until someone decides they need to try their latest political talking point. (Or everyone does.) And of course things got a bit heated but mostly fairly reasonable. I am personally in favor of keeping god out of government so that it won&#8217;t start telling us all how and when to pray, and to whom, but&#8230; well&#8230; I mean I&#8217;m open to rational arguments to the contrary. The way I see it, if you don&#8217;t trust your government to manage your health care, how can you trust them with your soul?<\/p>\n<p>But hey whatever. I avoided the entire religion-in-government part of the discussion, because it was off topic. Same old boring talking points.<\/p>\n<p>And then there was this post, which (seemingly) represents the thinking of a lot of American conservatives:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>I think you&#8217;d have trouble convincing<\/strong> many constitutional  and legal <strong> <\/strong>scholars, as well as lawyers and politicians here in the U.S., besides  the majority of we americans, <strong>that the First Amendment<\/strong> and it&#8217;s  separations regarding matters of church and state, <strong>means that people of  faith must become a sort of second class citizen, an american  untermensch if you will, with their freedom of speech rights suppressed<\/strong>,  along with all public expressions of religious thought and beliefs  removed from public discourse and view, <strong>by a federal government that has  somehow established atheism as the official belief system of the United  States government.<\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>I&#8217;m sick of people implying that &#8220;not having a state religion&#8221; is the same as &#8220;having atheism as a state religion.&#8221; You could poll a thousand atheists, and not one would want to see an official state religion of any kind. That&#8217;s the whole point! If you think about it, this post is really saying that <em>not<\/em> having Christianity as the official state religion is a form of oppression. When I state it that way, I realize that the poster will backpedal and say &#8220;no that&#8217;s not what I mean,&#8221; but it&#8217;s what he said, and I think it&#8217;s what a lot of people really believe. They refuse to openly admit that they want a Christian theocracy, but they still vote and talk that way.<\/p>\n<p>But, OK, so this guy wants to remove religious freedom from the state and make the state itself an organ of the Church. Does that make me mad? No. It&#8217;s stupid, but hey if\u00c2\u00a0 he want to (in my opinion) destroy what makes this country great, he has a right to work for that. It&#8217;s his country too.<\/p>\n<p>What really makes me mad is the victim mentality.<strong><br \/>\n<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This passage implies that by removing &#8220;Under God&#8221; from our government, by removing a forced acknowledgment of God as the one true deity, we turn Christians into an &#8220;American untermensch?&#8221; Are you <em>serious<\/em>? Government neutrality puts us on equal footing; if that is a form of oppression, then the Bill of Rights with its &#8220;created equal&#8221; talk is just an oppressive document that should be destroyed. Again, that&#8217;s not what he would claim that he really meant, no, it is just what he said.<\/p>\n<p>I have to ask a question. Are you Christians afraid you will find yourselves in a country where open believers in God are publicly vilified? Where a Christian could never, ever be elected to public office, and if one is it is a media event? Wouldn&#8217;t it be horrible to hear the president quoted as saying things like &#8220;Christians should not be considered true patriots or true citizens. This is a godless country?&#8221; Are you afraid you will live in a country where the Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase &#8220;without God,&#8221; and every dollar bill, every coin says &#8220;There Is No God&#8221; on it? How would a Christian feel living in this country?<\/p>\n<p>Sounds familiar, doesn&#8217;t it? This is the country I live in. I am an atheist, and we are gently but firmly excluded from government and full citizenship. Do I go around claiming to be a victim? Well, I haven&#8217;t, but maybe it&#8217;s about time I did. Hey, Christians do it all the time.<\/p>\n<p>So, my Christian friend, the next time you are victimized by being treated exactly the same as a nonbeliever, let me teach you the word for that:<\/p>\n<p><em>Equality<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s not a new word for me, but you don&#8217;t hear it very often unless you&#8217;re talking about the Nazis: untermensch. So here I was in a nice friendly discussion on a web forum, and unfortunately the original discussion had something to do with religion. 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